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By: Anonymous (xxx.xxx.148.159)
Date: 07/20/2001 04:45:43 am PST
Yeah Its good to know if you can but an individual who wants the best contrast available and wants a six in refractor has to save up their money. I prefer TMB and AP but I know anybody would be thrilled to own this scope.


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By: Anonymous (xxx.xxx.221.90)
Date: 07/21/2001 10:05:10 am PST
i agree, i would lay down my money for TMB and AP first, but would be thrilled to own this scope.


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By: Anonymous (xxx.xxx.57.5)
Date: 07/22/2001 03:30:56 am PST
In response to the above comment. I would feel ripped off if I bought this scope. For what the OTA alone would cost, You could buy a used AP on Astromart, throw in a G-11 and a whole pile of naglers for the same money. And, geuss what, you would be getting better performance according to scopereviews. If Takahashi were more realistic in their pricing, these scopes would get better ratings. If AP can make a triplet for thousands of dollars less than a Tak doublet, why can't Takahashi beat AP's pricing?? Afterall, the japanese are supposed to be models of efficiency, quality, and competitive pricing.


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By: Anonymous (xxx.xxx.221.130)
Date: 07/23/2001 01:39:51 pm PST
once agian, i agree. i have always felt the takahashi scopes cost way to much. and i would never spend my money on one when i know i can get equal or better performance from AP and TMB for less. but this scope still rocks and if money was not an issue i would own one.


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By: Anonymous (xxx.xxx.196.29)
Date: 08/13/2001 11:46:24 am PST
If we are going to rate performance based on cost, then why not rate
performance based on availability. Examples: the long waiting list for
the AP refractors. And, TMB refractors are available at a lesser
waiting period, but it still could be a long time. Does this diminish
their performance similar to cost diminishing performance?
I agree that this forum should rate performance of the optics/mechanics
and save the judgement about worth and waiting for the prospective
buyer.


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By: Anonymous (xxx.xxx.57.4)
Date: 08/16/2001 06:00:13 am PST
Well it's as simple as this. Waiting for a telescope doesn't take money out of your pocket. Waiting for an AP or a TMB is not really comparable to blowing thousands of dollars extra needlessly for one scope when another can be had for much less, even if you do have to wait a while. Waiting doesn't cost you one penny. So your arguement that somehow, waiting and price gouging are basically the same, is pure nonsense. If you want to look at it that way, then just tell the prospective buyer to go ahead and buy a relatively inexpensive chinese refractor setup or even a good used LX200 setup to use while they "wait" on their AP or TMB. Then when they get it, they can just sell their used scope and make most of their money back(especially if they bought it at a good price). In the end, they will come out ahead in performance and money. Which is ultimately the goal of anyone thinking about a huge purchase, like a six inch fluorite refractor.


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By: Anonymous (xxx.xxx.240.34)
Date: 08/16/2001 08:16:49 am PST
Why don't we just let people who wish to buy this scope do so and save this "review" site for reviews rather than endless back and forth venom. If you wouldn't spend the money, say so and move on. If you have spent the money, let us know how the telecope actually performs.

I'm not trying to get in the middle of this or demean either side, it just seems rather childish to continue to argue over a point that clearly has no basis for resolution relating to telescope performance. You would either spend the money, or you would not. Either point is valid but can be summed up in one sentence. The only difference being that the former point (you would spend the money)then lends itself to further discussion if you actually purchased the scope.

Take care,
john


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By: Anonymous (xxx.xxx.148.159)
Date: 08/16/2001 12:36:25 pm PST
John, that was the most intelligent comment I have heard.


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Subject: Moved Message
By: Anonymous (xxx.xxx.220.203)
Date: 08/18/2001 04:37:51 am PST
john, i really think that calling the above debate "venom" is unfair. you have two people that are just trying to speak their mind on something that they feel is very important. i try to keep an open mind to all the comments made on this site unless it is obvious trash. i welcome such debates if they can present a valid point that will influence my decision on the purchase of a scope. i hope we can remember that we should respect others opinions even if we disagree.


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By: Anonymous (xxx.xxx.198.174)
Date: 08/18/2001 08:51:06 am PST
An American walks into a Russian restaurant and begins to order dinner. The waiter responds in Russian, clearly trying to indicate he does not speak English. The American's response is to repeat his order, in English, only louder.

I will not be writing any further hear since I do not own, and have not had the opportunity to use, this scope.

Take care,
john


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